Trusting Your Gut: Nina Smith on Navigating Career Transitions and Healthy Departures

Nina Smith [00:00:00]:
She's seen it all from her own employees and her own career. And her advice always was don't run away from something, but run towards something. And that's exactly Yeah. That all came about in this. And I think this opportunity was exactly that. I'm not running from anything. I'm sad to leave, but an opportunity came and I'm going for it.

Leah Alter [00:00:29]:
Hi there. Welcome to the show. I'm Leah Alter. And I'm Joanna Ehresman. And this is Women Share, a celebration of women in financial services.

Joanna Ehresman [00:00:39]:
Yes. And today's guest is Nina Smith, a growth and business development leader in the wealth management space who's also backed by a successful background in the advertising agency side of the business. And Nina is joining us today at an exciting time in her career as she's transitioning from a seven year tenure at Kendall Capital, a DC based wealth management firm, to a new role at a much larger enterprise, UBS. So we're very interested to hear more about that in today's episode. Beyond her work life, Nina is an active leader in her community in Montgomery County, Maryland, supporting small businesses and youth. And, Nina, we are so thrilled to have you here on Women Share to share your story. Thank you for being here.

Nina Smith [00:01:20]:
Thank you so much for having me. I'm really honored to be on the show, and it's nice to meet you. Nice to

Joanna Ehresman [00:01:24]:
meet you too.

Leah Alter [00:01:25]:
You too. And we wanna take a moment and thank this episode's pay it forward sponsor, Gregory FCA. Through the Pay It Forward sponsorship, past WomenShare guests can support another woman's story in a future episode. So we wanna thank Kerry Davis and the Gregory FCA team for sponsoring this episode of WomenShare. With over twenty years of dedicated support to financial services industry, they're passionate about helping clients grow their businesses through strategic integrated communications and marketing programs. You can learn more about them at gregoryfca.com. And, Nina, we are just so excited to get in to it with you today. Thank you so much for joining us.

Leah Alter [00:02:12]:
As Joanna mentioned in your intro, you're in the midst of a really cool transition into this new role at UBS. And you shared with us that you're choosing this change even though things were really good in your prior role. So what really inspired you to start this new adventure?

Nina Smith [00:02:36]:
Things weren't just good. They were great. I mean, people, when I told about the leaving the job are like, but you love your job. And I'm like, and I still do. But back in January, a recruiter, reached out to me. They found me on LinkedIn and they told me the firm UBS. And I went I I was interested enough to talk and I had three rounds of virtual interviews. It was great, a great fit, a great next step.

Nina Smith [00:03:01]:
And right before the next round, I I just withdrew from consideration, actually. I was I'd I'd say scared. Why leave a good thing? And, but I and and we and I didn't wanna burn, spin anyone's wheels on the other end. They're a busy team, and I just wanted to be respectful. So I did, and then that was that. And then about six five, six weeks later, I was regretting it. I hadn't even met anyone in person. They were all virtual, and I was just wanted to revisit it.

Nina Smith [00:03:31]:
And so I did, I reached out to the recruiter and she was surprised to hear from me, but happy. And I said, would they be willing to talk to me again? And she says, I will check. I think they're gonna be surprised, but probably happy to hear from you. Within a few days, I was in Downtown DC meeting in person with three of the team members. I felt so happy that I went back to them and, and that they were willing to meet and it was great. And we kind of just went from there and, you know, with a bigger company, it's definitely a process. Within a couple of weeks, there was an offer. Week later, I think it was my, the, my future soon to be boss and his wife went to dinner with me and my girlfriend, Melanie, my, partner in DC, and that really sealed the deal.

Nina Smith [00:04:13]:
He's wonderful. His wife was we had the best night. So, you that's that's how it happened. I things are good. I my last day was yesterday and it's definitely bittersweet, but I'm going for it.

Joanna Ehresman [00:04:25]:
And I think that's what really stood out to us when we had our first exchanges with you and just learned about your story and your background. And there's something to this theme of women trusting their gut on some of these opportunities and having the courage. Like, it kind of feels like a audacious thing to be like, I'm super happy, and this is actually a great time to explore new opportunities. Right? Which that stuck out for me because I think I, in my past, I've waited until things are to the point of being unhappy, and you just come at it from such a different posture. And I didn't even know you went back. You had withdrawn, so that's a cool twist.

Nina Smith [00:05:02]:
I had. I had. Yes. And the other thing was at the time that they reached out a couple other big companies did and which is really flattering and, and felt good. But at the same time, I thought, okay, well, this is great to know in a few years when I might be more ready, well, things will be there. And that's what also made me kind of withdraw. I'm like, I can take a pause on this, and there's always gonna be opportunities. And then I was like, no.

Nina Smith [00:05:25]:
This one was meant for me. So

Joanna Ehresman [00:05:28]:
Well, I

Leah Alter [00:05:28]:
think it's also just a great lesson for us all in that we can trust that process, and we don't have to double, you know, double guess ourselves or or or question whether something feels right. And then when something changes and we get a different, you know, kind of a different Read. Bit of information, we're like, wait a second. We can trust that too.

Joanna Ehresman [00:05:57]:
Yeah.

Leah Alter [00:05:57]:
And I think it's, we talked about this recently on an episode, but, where that starts to build the trust with, like, between you and your kind of gut instinct or or whatever you wanna name that. But it really starts to build almost build that relationship and that trust to be like, I can I can not, you know, have to, beat myself up over this decision because I just know it's the right decision for now? Absolutely.

Joanna Ehresman [00:06:30]:
Absolutely. Well and I wanna go there was another thing that caught our eye, when we were looking at your profile as you you had shared, you know, in past roles, you've got a track record of, like, really healthy departures from the organizations that you've worked for, which, again, that sometimes could be the case, but isn't often. And so I think I I think we can learn a lot from from how you've navigated those. And would you share what's worked for you and having supportive separations from firms that you've

Nina Smith [00:07:00]:
worked for? Yeah, absolutely. I think I was thinking back to my career. I'm 43 now, so I graduated college almost. Oh gosh. Yeah. Twenty years, twenty years. No. Twenty one years ago.

Nina Smith [00:07:12]:
Yeah. 02/2004. Wow. So, I started my career in New York City. And so I did switch from agency to agency, but I know at that time, I don't know if it is now since it's been so long ago, but you kind of jump around to build that, get grow out of entry level roles and build your experience. So I think then people kind of expect you to do two or three years and then move on.

Leah Alter [00:07:31]:
Move on.

Nina Smith [00:07:32]:
And then I left the New York market to come back to the Maryland area. So the that's why I left. But, when I left Capital One, I'd say that was the one that was a bigger departure. It's a great company, a great role. I could have stayed there for a long time, but I left for personal reasons. My kids wanted to at the time. My then husband was working and pursuing his PhD. And I really just had too much on my plate to focus and give a company like that the attention it deserved.

Nina Smith [00:08:00]:
That, you know, they're a huge big company. And my boss was wonderful, but I was not living up to expectations, I I I think. So she was very understanding. And that was in 02/2015. And ten years later, she was just a reference for me for this new gig. And she told me she gave me a glowing review. So I believe that. And it just also, I realized that four of my references I asked for four were all women that I've worked with in the past.

Nina Smith [00:08:25]:
And even a client, a female client of my current client. But it just is a nice reminder of how keeping those relationships. I do think especially with women in the workplace, and having that network, it just helps you. You never know when it's gonna help. So to not burn bridges, you just never know. After stepping away from Capital One, my circumstances shifted. I needed to return to work quickly. That could be a talk for another type of podcast, but I found a great opportunity with a small local marketing agency.

Nina Smith [00:08:53]:
It gave me the flexibility I needed at home, but also got my career. But back on track, I was only out of work for eight months. So it was kinda easy to jump back in. And when I eventually moved on from that, my boss was surprised and definitely sad to see me go, but we've stayed in touch my new company, my just the one I just left hired her for marketing work. So it kind of was like a nice full circle moment. And then just most recently, I mean, yesterday was my last day. One of the things that stuck out, a guy on my, the investment team, he came up to me when he heard the news and just said, you, you created a marketing legacy here. And he said, we're really gonna miss you.

Nina Smith [00:09:27]:
And he said, I'm really, I was most glad to hear you're not going after the same clientele because I know you'd snatch all up all those clients, because it is a different audience for my after. So, yeah, I don't know. I love building relationships and that not there's a, you can build relationships, but to maintain them is the hardest part. And that's not only in work, but PR you know, even your personal life making friends, but keeping them and especially when life gets busy. So I think the same with work, just be keeping on good terms with people and and being I've I've all these people too, I've helped over the years. And whether it be giving someone you know, not giving someone business, but, you know, working with them still or things like that. So Yeah. Yeah.

Nina Smith [00:10:05]:
It's it's nice to have a healthy breakup.

Leah Alter [00:10:08]:
Yeah. Well and it seems like too, that you have you know, the experience you have both in the financial services industry and building, your business there along with the marketing and agency stuff that you have has, like, really served you well in doing in both building the business and building the relationships, which to your point, kind of go hand in hand. Mhmm.

Nina Smith [00:10:35]:
Absolutely. I always say this job was, like, the culmination of my past experiences. When I worked in the ad agency, I loved, I worked for high profile clients like GE and Sony pictures. And I actually had like some pretty, even early on, had some great client interaction, with the clients. And these were like CMOs of general electric appliances. And I was like 25 years old, but not only working with the clients, the vendors, the creative agency, the salespeople of the media we're buying. And then I got to take that to this job. It's much different.

Nina Smith [00:11:08]:
The, you know, I always say getting someone to buy, I worked on Hershey's, getting someone to buy a Hershey bar, Twizzlers or payday out there, all Hershey brands is much different than having someone trust you with $2,000,000 or their tie you know, but They're life saving. Yes. They're life saving. So, anyway yeah.

Joanna Ehresman [00:11:28]:
Did you ever let employers know when you were getting to the point? Like, I'm starting to look like, I feel like it's a little bit of a double edged sword. You don't like, you wanna have a really good transition, especially if you've been there a long time and you know there's planning that needs to be done, but you also don't wanna be perceived as, like, being checked out or, you know, not giving your all. Nina, you first, and then Leah, I also wanna hear if you kinda did a early shot across the bow to a trusted boss or something like that.

Nina Smith [00:11:58]:
No. Not no. Especially in this role, I think the only thing is, is that in reviews and we we have a performance review every six months. I did express that I even asked my boss at one point. Did I hit my ceiling here? We're a small company. We have grown already. I've we've tried so many marketing things. Did I hit my ceiling? And we I the answer wasn't yes.

Nina Smith [00:12:21]:
I think the answer was let's fit he gave it made him it enabled him and encouraged him to give me more autonomy even. You know, like, I was we had done TV commercials, with our with my boss and another, CFP that were actually in the commercial. And I said, well, I wanna be in one. I was in one. So it was more I didn't say I was looking because I wasn't. It was more, what can I do to stay here and just grow more and do different things? But I never said or not. It wasn't a if I don't, I'm gonna leave. It just that was the only kind of alluding to should I be here? But no.

Nina Smith [00:12:56]:
I never let on to looking and I wasn't looking. Like I said, I

Joanna Ehresman [00:12:59]:
I wasn't looking.

Nina Smith [00:13:00]:
So I just Yeah.

Joanna Ehresman [00:13:03]:
Yeah. Why you Leah?

Leah Alter [00:13:05]:
Well, so I remember distinctly, we had a department meeting. I was, yeah, I was out on a marketing team at a, you know, a a financial services company, and and, we were at a big kind of team planning meeting. And I, point blank, said to my boss, what is the plan for advisor marketing? Because that's what I was in charge of. And she looked right at me and said, there's no plan. And that for me was like, I knew at that point that I'd done all that I could do for the organization I was at because I needed buy in, from executive leadership and financial, investment in the programs to be able to go further than I'd gone, and I wasn't gonna get it. And that was, like, a big pivoting point. So I think that that was, like, probably a good indicator to the team that that the end was near. Yeah.

Leah Alter [00:14:23]:
But it was still a bit of a shock, I think, when I did, you know, I had been there for eleven years. So, I think a lot of people thought I was gonna be a lifer, which we kinda joked about at the organization for people who stay a long time. And I would have been had they made that investment. I love the work that I was doing. So, but I definitely was strategic about where I went. I didn't go to a competitor when I left. And to your point, Nina, that helps keep that bridge intact. And, you know, I still have wonderful relationships with everyone at the organization because of that.

Joanna Ehresman [00:15:06]:
Yeah. Yeah. Because it is such a small industry interconnected. You know? Like

Nina Smith [00:15:11]:
Yeah.

Joanna Ehresman [00:15:11]:
You never know. Right? It where other people are gonna end up or how you're gonna cross paths. I I ascribe to that same approach of just, like, let's be supportive. Let's leave things better than we found them and you know? But still do what we need to do for ourselves. So Yeah. Yep.

Leah Alter [00:15:26]:
Yeah. It's hard to take the personal side of the work we do out. But a lot of times, it serves us better when we can separate. Like, it's not that they weren't investing in Leah, in me. Right? It just that that what the work I was doing wasn't a priority for the organization. Took me a long time to to not take that personally

Nina Smith [00:15:50]:
Yeah.

Leah Alter [00:15:51]:
And as a reflection of me or the work I was doing, which it was not. Right. So on that kind of same note, you, Nina, built, the women and wealth client development program while you were at Kendall Capital, which sounds like an, a really fantastic program. How did you go about building that program and then getting the support from the rest of the firm's leadership?

Nina Smith [00:16:17]:
Yeah. We started a few years ago, really, in the post COVID period where people were craving in person events again. Mhmm. So it was, like, good timing. We hadn't really just at first, we started with hosting some social things with guest speakers, like happy hours. We did one downstairs in the really nice restaurant in our building. We actually did one here at the lavender farm that I mentioned. Oh,

Joanna Ehresman [00:16:42]:
oh, yes. You're at a lavender farm.

Nina Smith [00:16:44]:
Can you

Leah Alter [00:16:44]:
tell us I'm at a lavender farm.

Nina Smith [00:16:46]:
Yes. I will real quick. So I'm at Karis Lavender. It's k h a r I s, Lavender. They're not a sponsor, but I'm and I'm not their PR person. People always think I am, but it is a beautiful lavender farm in Laytonsville, Maryland. A dear friend of mine owns it, but I it's, she built this, her and her husband built, along with the farm, a beautiful barn that event space that holds workshops and work events, small showers and bridal showers, anything really, oh, company retreats, but upstairs there's this loft area with a, it's like a living room and office. And my dear friend, Claudia said, you can use this office anytime.

Nina Smith [00:17:24]:
And so that's where I am and it smells good. And she is downstairs making hand soap and I'm up here and it's just amazing place.

Joanna Ehresman [00:17:31]:
You're up here on a podcast.

Nina Smith [00:17:33]:
Yes. I'm up here on a podcast at eleven. It's about

Leah Alter [00:17:36]:
good.

Nina Smith [00:17:37]:
But we did host the event here. Actually, hosted a women and wealth event. I hosted I'm on a board of, organization called the Montgomery County Small Business Association. We did a huge event here last August. It was the it was, like, 70 people. Any anyway, back to women and wealth. Yeah, we did and then after like the social things with a speaker and a topic, we started doing, we did some pickleball events and I mean We kind of just stuck yeah. It's awesome.

Nina Smith [00:18:08]:
If, for anyone out there listening, if you haven't played, you should. It's very fun. It's social. It's healthy. It's active. It's accessible. It's easy to learn. But it was nice because it became very turnkey.

Nina Smith [00:18:19]:
So instead of doing, the speakers and, and themes and things like that, which are great, we, we did, it was much easier to execute. And then you had people that were coming over and over bring a friend, hopefully a prospect, you know, someone that might we we had a couple, like, prospect meetings out of it, but it was for our clients and the team. So we it was easy. You booked there's, all these indoor places now. This one's called Dell Dinkers, but we book like three to four courts. So you'd have like sixteen, twenty people, an instructor for the first hour. And which is really nice. I I suggest if you're doing something like that to do that because a lot of people haven't played or they've played, but are haven't played with, haven't actually learned the rules.

Nina Smith [00:18:59]:
And it is kind of important. So you have an instructor for the first hour, but other courts, it just was a success, a hit. We actually just got, branded pickleball paddles. I won't be able to use them. So that's kind of sad, but in terms of support, my boss always was that he empowered us. And especially me as the marketing person in my seven years, we tried a lot of things from the basic, basic events and webinars and newsletters that I think every firm does, but we then evolved and did different things. Did this women in wealth. We did the TV commercials.

Nina Smith [00:19:31]:
And so if something wasn't successful, we learned and moved on, but we didn't necessarily think it was a failure. It, but the women in wealth were successful. And I, I know that the team is, my current team is gonna continue doing that. My, the person who's gonna take over for me was I saw her like making like an invite for like a spring fling kind of thing. So, I think also, and I always said, like, some of the husbands would say, well, aren't isn't there gonna be a golf thing, or can we come or can we come to the pickleball? And I'd say, yeah. And then I actually, like, proposed it and invited some of the husbands or male clients and, like, no. No. Thanks.

Nina Smith [00:20:05]:
Like, they so it's I'm like so I just kept with it with the just the women. So Well,

Joanna Ehresman [00:20:09]:
and so it's more about community building than, like, deeper financial education

Nina Smith [00:20:15]:
Yes.

Joanna Ehresman [00:20:15]:
Going on. Okay.

Nina Smith [00:20:16]:
Yeah. Instead of, like, making it a topic or things like that, and I think you can do it both ways. There's value to having the speakers and all that, but this was more community engagement. Have fun. It's it's healthy. We called it women and wealth, and that would be like health. And, very simple, not expensive. And also, I think one thing my boss did that say in terms of support is it was never a quota.

Nina Smith [00:20:41]:
The he there was never a mandate. If you do this event, you better come back with six emails of prospects or

Joanna Ehresman [00:20:47]:
You're right. Right.

Nina Smith [00:20:48]:
And when the team was never built like that. So it was very although it's great to get a prospect when you don't have that pressure of it, it's more kind of light and fun. Mhmm.

Joanna Ehresman [00:20:57]:
And I would imagine that translates to the people attending. Right? Yeah. Doesn't feel They're

Nina Smith [00:21:02]:
not salesy. We give them a bag of our swag and these books that we have that are awesome, but it's not it's not salesy, I don't think.

Joanna Ehresman [00:21:09]:
It's a good it's a good brand experience and

Nina Smith [00:21:11]:
Yes.

Joanna Ehresman [00:21:11]:
In the fire. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then I wanna pivot a little bit away from the work side of things or, you know, specific kind of marketing tactics, but you also talked about the balance between co co parenting and your career. So I'd love to hear your perspective of what have you learned as a mother and a businesswoman over the years.

Nina Smith [00:21:29]:
Yeah. Learned a lot on this topic. Probably too much to cover today, but, honestly the biggest thing is that being my first job is being a mom, everything else, including being a businesswoman comes after that. Like I mentioned, my kids were one and two when I was at capital one, they're 10 and 11. Now they're about to be in fifth and seventh grade. So it's all still a balance even more so. And they've definitely noticed over the past few years, because my daughter probably she's younger, how my, work responsibilities have grown and more late night meetings and travel and events. And just my head is more focused on it.

Nina Smith [00:22:05]:
And now I've thrown them for a bit of a curve ball by saying there's, you know, gonna be even more of that. Now with a more challenging job probably. And from their perspective, it probably seems like a loss in some ways, but I try to help them see the upside as well as me, because I want them to see me as a role model and someone who isn't just gonna be complacent and take on new challenges. And to be honest, my son is 11, almost 12. And he's at that point where he doesn't even want me around anyway. So, it's a blessing in disguise for him, whether, and, but again, there's no kids and they need me. And I've been lucky to work for employers who respect and support the family first mentality. And I know my soon to be teen law as well.

Nina Smith [00:22:43]:
I mean, don't get me wrong. I work really hard, and I'm pretty much always accessible. My daughter be like, why are you on your phone? I'm like, well, it's it's work. And I I try not to do that, but It's work. Yeah. It's yeah. Exactly. Why are you I'm like, she's like, no.

Nina Smith [00:22:55]:
No. I see. It's not. I'm like, it really is. And I can't wait to get going on the new role. But my mental checklist, like all working moms or moms, is toggling between work and card pulls. And what tournament is this weekend? And they're in the thick of it. They're Yeah.

Nina Smith [00:23:09]:
You know, just getting to that sweet spot of being really busy. But, honestly, I wouldn't have it any other way. And I I've I've done a lot of balancing with my kids, and so I I think I I I like to tell myself that I've got this, but we'll see.

Joanna Ehresman [00:23:26]:
Well and you've already shown, though, that you, you know, follow your intuition, and you'll know. You'll know if there's some course correction needed. Right? And trust it.

Nina Smith [00:23:35]:
Yeah. So Exactly. I saw a friend last night, actually, at the batting cages with my daughter who wants to try softball out, and she was there with her son. And she works at the elementary school that my kids go to or my daughter does, and she's amazing. And I told her about the new job and how I'm gonna have to go into DC some days. So I said, do you even know if Ali's stranded at school in DC or in stranded at school and you have to drive her home, you'll know why. Just give me a call. But now I've it's it's gonna be fine.

Nina Smith [00:23:59]:
I've I've I've managed the work life for a long time, and I've got a village and,

Leah Alter [00:24:05]:
Exactly. I was gonna say, like, you know, for the first question that we asked you, you know, you talked about your community and and the support system you have cultivated, and whether that's through business or your personal life, they're equally as important. Absolutely. So I guess on that same vein, Nina, we ask everybody who comes on the show, what is the best career advice that you've ever received?

Nina Smith [00:24:36]:
Okay. So I've, I've gotten a lot, obviously. My girlfriend, who I mentioned her name's Melanie, she's the chief of HR for a big fortune 500 company. So between like having an HR expert as your professional and personal sounding board is the nice perk. Yeah. We can also, we also share clothes, which is a nice perk too, but, she, but she's seen it all from her own employees and her own career. And her advice always was don't run away. And I think we've touched on this before, but don't run away from something, but run towards something in that sense of, I think we mentioned before, like, don't wait till you're miserable and having run to something.

Nina Smith [00:25:16]:
And that's exactly Yeah. That all came about in this. And I think this opportunity was exactly that. I'm not running from anything. I'm sad to leave, but an opportunity came and I'm going for it. And she also always says, like, the grass is always the grass isn't always greener. And I know that going into this, it is not gonna be perfect because no job is, but I'm going into it, like, eyes wide open. And I'd say the other thing, and this is important too.

Nina Smith [00:25:41]:
My mom was a great role model. She worked her butt off. She got her PhD. She had some really high profile gigs. And then my sister's, one works at University of Maryland, but she also got her career coaching certificate. And my older sister is a CEO of a company, CEO of a company. And so, but between all these women and career focused women in my life, they guide me, they definitely guide me in the right direction. Even actually, it's funny when I told them about this possibility of this job, they were like, you're crazy.

Nina Smith [00:26:10]:
Why would you complicate your life more? Maybe not yet, like but then they got on board and I kind of had to explain it to them a little more and they're totally supportive now. But it's, like, get more reason. Like, I I've got I hope it's success it's I gotta be successful because I need to prove them wrong that I wasn't crazy. So yeah. So yeah. And I've I've I've just have gotten I've had great role models, female and not female, of people in my life that can guide me in the right direction and tell me when I'm crazy even though I didn't listen to them. But

Joanna Ehresman [00:26:45]:
Oh, well, it sounds like it's quite the, like, power circle of women around you.

Nina Smith [00:26:48]:
Yes. Oh, yes. Yes.

Joanna Ehresman [00:26:50]:
Really cool. So outside of the career things we've celebrated today, this podcast is about celebrating women in the industry in general. So what, what else can Leah and I join you in celebrating right now?

Nina Smith [00:27:04]:
Well, right now I would say it was mother's day the other day. So we should, I had a great mother's day. I think it was one of my favorite mother's days as my kids are getting older and acknowledge, you know, appreciate everything more. So I'd say let's all celebrate whether you're a working mom, a, stay at home mom, a soon to be mom, a dog mom, I don't know. Just celebrate it's, it's hard. It's or just a woman in general. It's how, you know, it's hard to balance it off. So celebrate that.

Nina Smith [00:27:34]:
And then I know this air for like two months. So what I'm hoping when this airs is that I wish to celebrate success in my new gig. That's, that's kind

Joanna Ehresman [00:27:44]:
of a

Nina Smith [00:27:44]:
forward thinking sense.

Joanna Ehresman [00:27:45]:
And that good energy. Yes. To the yes. Yes.

Leah Alter [00:27:49]:
You'll have to keep us posted on how it's going and

Nina Smith [00:27:53]:
I absolutely will.

Leah Alter [00:27:54]:
And all of that. We we love to keep up with everybody. This has just been such a great conversation. Nina, thank you for being here and sharing your story. We're just all so excited for what's on the horizon for you, and I know probably a lot of people listening wanna connect with you. So what is the best way that they can do that?

Nina Smith [00:28:16]:
Yeah. I don't have my new work email yet. I will in a week, but it's you can email me directly at nina8123@gmail.com or on LinkedIn, Nina Smith. I think I think it might be Nina Smith two three, my profile name, but

Leah Alter [00:28:31]:
And we'll link those, in the show notes so people can find you, and, Yeah.

Nina Smith [00:28:37]:
We'd love to connect. Feel free. Anyone reach out to me. Yeah. Anyone and Leah. Thank you.

Joanna Ehresman [00:28:43]:
Yes. Well, thank you for being here, and thanks for sharing the the sage advice on just, like, being proactive of your Yeah. Your career transition. Right? And, moving when you're in a place of positive energy. That was just that's inspiring. So thank you. Definitely.

Nina Smith [00:29:00]:
Yeah. Thank you so much.

Joanna Ehresman [00:29:02]:
Well, and that's our show for today. So if ours is a mission that you want to share in, we ask that you subscribe to WomenShare on your favorite platform. With that, I'm Joanna Ehresman.

Leah Alter [00:29:13]:
And I'm Leah Alter, and another big thank you to our pay it forward sponsor, Gregory FCA. We will catch you on the next episode of WomenShare.